Got my car tuned in Germany…

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  1. #1 Dackelone, 09.05.2011
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    (Sorry for writting so much in English - but I think you guys should look at this info for Marcel's chip tuning: reihensechszyli)

    So… I decided to get a German tune for my 135i…

    I finally did it! After having my 135i’s software re-flashed by my BMW dealer for the new HPFP pump priming… I also found out (the hard way) that the SW update also gave me some added “turbo lag”. At first it was hard to notice… but then the more I drove my car… the more noticeable the “lag” became. The main thing I noticed was a quieter engine idle and less power at low revs – and lag at low revs. I think this is because the new SW keeps the waste gates open at idle and just off idle.

    What I really wanted was my original SW back… but BMW does not let us do that! :( Once the SW has been updated there is no original file saved to re-load.

    So… that is when I knew it was time for me to get a SW flash tune! And… I knew who I was going to turn to get it done! Last year I started informal talks with MS Tuning, near Stuttgart (30 minutes away). Marcel is the owner and really knows a lot about BMW’s software and tuning possibilities. Actually he tunes all sorts of makes & models (from Audi’s to Volvo’s)… but his passion is for BMW’s. He drives one fast 335i (tuned of course!) too.

    Anyway… last year I went to a lot of the various BMW tuners over here in Germany. Digi Tech, Tech-Tec, SKN, UpSoLuTe, ect… At first they all want your money… but they did not seem that thrilled to field my various questions on engine tuning, gains and how the engine is tuned for the customer – me!


    I did find one company that was very helpful though: MS Tuning. Marcel took time to answer my many questions. Over the course of a year we talked back and fourth thru emails and PM’s over at the 1er forum… I realized he was going to tune my car. He had gained my trust. Something that not many shops can do. It is hard trusting your “baby” to strangers. But I just had a “good feeling” with talking to Marcel. He really knows all the various SW differences when it comes to BMW’s turbo models and also NA models too! And he did a great job on tuning my car.

    Flash tunes are VERY expensive over here. Most Germans are willing to pay upwards of 1,400 euros JUST to have the speed limiter removed! Most software tunes range from 1,000 to 1,800 euros. Mine cost around 1,000 euros. For that I got peace of mind of a factory level tune… with little chance of throwing an engine check light or blowing up my motor. I really did not want a piggy back tune. I wanted something that incorporated the safety features of the OE software. So I knew a German tuners was for me. I also wanted to remove the top speed limiter. :D


    I did not want absolute power mod’s… but rather something very drivable yet powerful. I opted for Marcel’s stage II: 380 PS and 520 Nm of Tq. Boost pressure: 0.95 Bar (almost 15 psi). The tune is meant to run on 98 octane SuperPlus fuel but you can limp around on lower grade fuel IF need be and IF you do not plant your foot on the loud pedal. :D



    The Process:

    First thing Marcel did was to check for any fault codes and general health of my car. He looked in the car’s service history and maintenances due. He also checked the “oil condition” screen/menu. All was good. The last thing you want to do is tune a unhealthy engine! He then started a backup of the original software currently loaded on the engine ECU (DME). This took a long time. A little bit over an hour. After the original SW was saved… we went out for a road test with the stock BMW SW. Marcel does this to gauge in what condition the car/engine is.


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    Marcel was quite surprised on how strong my engine felt during our road test. He told me just the day before, he had tuned a 135i N54 with the BMW Performance Kit (PPK) and my “stock” car felt just as strong. He really could not feel the lag I was talking (complaining) about since I had my SW updated. He also told me that this other 135i with the PPK (a German model e82) also had the new SW update (since it also had the new DSC icon – but that car did not flash the turn signals as my car does with locking/unlocking). Marcel also commented on how great my clutch felt (thanks to my CDV delete) and how great my Performance SSK felt. He told me that my car’s engine was a GOOD one! :)

    During Marcel’s road test… he runs a data logging on his laptop – to check for any trouble. He also checks the exhaust temps, air intake temps, oil temps and water temps. Just to make sure there is nothing wrong with the stock engine. We then headed back and started the second part of the tune.

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    Data logging…
    YouTube - 135i data logging...


    Once back Marcel looks up your VIN in his data base… and writes a special “tuned” software code - tailored to your particular car’s needs. One some cars there are special cache codes that need to be written. On other cars nothing is needed. But he needs to go thru the car’s SW (line) code to find out. This took about an hour to do. Then once the software code is finished… he uploads the new “performance tune” – to flash into the car’s DME. This doesn’t take as long as the download. The upload only took about 25 minutes. Once finished… Marcel drives/tests the car once again… and makes sure all the data points are ok. He runs another data log… and checks all the various values to make sure everything is in working order. The most important thing is the EGT (exhaust gas temp) and oil and water temps. I think the highest EGT we saw was 690’ C.

    When Marcel first started the engine with the new SW I immediately recognized my old friend. My engine was back! It was making the same old noises I had become accustomed too… and not the new “quiet” tune (@idle for the waste gate rattles “fix”) that BMW’s latest SW provides. It is very noticeable difference to my ear. I am gald to have my old SW sounds back. Because that means better throttle response than BMW’s latest SW offerings.

    Marcel did say that the engine will have to “adapt” or “learn” to the new SW flash. This can take four or five hundred kilometers. After those kms the engine will have a few more ponies. :D

    All and all… I am very happy with my flash. The engine runs just like normal. But it is safely running more boost then stock (0.95 Bar almost 15 PSI). The throttle response is much quicker and the car is simply awesome! No hiccups, no stumbles, the engine just drives like a stock engine… but it has FAR more grunt and urge to it. The engine also stats up normal and sounds just like my old SW. The difference is in the performance – when you nail it… there is a whole lot more urge than you ever thought possible. Now I find myself just tipping into the gas pedal, say 1/8 to ¼ throttle – and the car just rockets away. Before with BMW’s new SW I would need to give the engine close to ½ throttle to get that kind of performance. I also think the fuel economy has gotten better! I really was not expecting that.

    Marcel driving my car up to 160+ mph on the Autobahn…

    YouTube - MS tuning flash...


    One thing is for sure… I am going to need new brakes sooner than I thought! Because the car can accelerate so darn fast it is downright scary! The speed limiter has been removed but the speedo needle stops at 160 mph. The car just keeps on accelerating even though the speedo needle is pegged at 160 mph mark! So far I have seen 6,300 rpms which I think that is 180 mph!! And… it was still pulling hard. :D It is uncanny how the speedo needle climbs around the dial now. I made a small video showing how the car can accelerate in 6th gear from 100 kph to 260 kph! Unbelievable! I think I am going to need a suspension upgrade soon too! Because now my car really squats when I nail it and the tail kind of wags (back and forth) on certain low traction surfaces. But its fun!


    YouTube - 100 kph to 250 kph in 6th gear with tune...


    Marcel/MS Tuning offers many levels of tuning. For the N54 motor here are your choices:


    N54
    Stage I: 350 PS and 480 Nm of Tq.
    Stage II: 380 PS and 520 Nm of Tq. Boost pressure 0.95 Bar
    Stage III: 400 PS and 550 Nm of Tq. (includes downpipes cat deletes and FMIC)
    Stage IV: 420 PS and 565 Nm of Tq. (includes downpipes cat deletes and FMIC but with a more aggressive flash tune)

    N55

    Stage I: 341 PS and 455 Nm
    Stage II: 360 PS and 500 Nm


    Marcel does say that 390 PS and 550 Nm is possible with a N55 but it is NOT good for the long term life of the motor. The reason - is because BMW uses weaker components with the N55 internal engine parts. The crankshaft is not forged like with the N54 motor. The pistons are NOT made by Mahle like with the N54 but are made by Mopisan from Turkey! And the list goes on.






    Marcel is a wealth of BMW knowledge. For instance he told me of the HPFP issue. He said the original HPFP (or as in German it is called; “Hoch Druck Pump”: HDP) that the original ones were all made by Bosch… which is junk. They most likely will all fail. Starting from March/2010 BMW Werk production… cars being made got the new Continental designed pump. The Conti pump is more durable and makes good power. He said that is the pump to get! Not sure of the part number though.

    Dyno:

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    Marcel has a friend (Henni) with a dyno in Wernau. It is a Bosch Service Center that has one of Germany’s best dynos: SuperFlow 880 all wheel drive dyno. The owner is a friend of Marcel’s and he can arrange for very reasonable dyno runs for only 70 euros per dyno! I think that is a deal! Henni especially likes fast/tuned BMW’s. :)


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    Here is a dyno graph of a 135i with Marcel’s Stage II setup like I have on my car.
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    And here is Marcel’s top level of tuning for the N54, stage IV with down pipes (cat deletes) and FMIC and a remapped flash to go along with all the bolt on’s:
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    Marcel also recommends a FMIC (intercooler) made by Wagner for PS freaks. While not necessary – it is worth considering. It is truly a “bolt on” intercooler w/minimal bumper trimming. You will only have to trim a 1.8mm’s from the front edge of the FMIC on the inside of the front bumper cover. You can do this with an everyday box cutter or carpet knife. The intercooler is much larger than the OE one. Price: 590 €

    Here are some specs.

    • Size 520 x 210 x130 mm, 11.752cm³ Volume (OEM 510x130x110mm, 7293cm³ Volume)
    • High Performance flow with stepped design.
    • Original mounting points utilized
    • 85% more intercooler face area vs. OEM
    • Original intercooler hoses used.
    • Simple Installation!





    Wagner’s 335i kit…
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    And the 135i intercooler fotos bellow…
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    Wagner also makes some nice 3” down pipes:

    • true 76mm 3” pipe diameter.
    • made from Stainless Steel SS304
    • true fit like OE pipes


    Price: 669 €
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    Here is what is possible with a N54. Stage IV with down pipes and FMIC on a 335i…

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    MS - Tuning, Chiptuning Marcel Stefanescu

    Marcel Stefanescu
    Fichtenweg 1
    72202 Nagold

    Marcel.Stefanescu@gmx.de

    Mobil: 0171 / 3165667




    PS: Here is something for you 128i guys!... :D Marcel can also offer you 130i plus power levels for your 125i or 128i. You can also ship your ECU to Marcel to have it flashed.

    NA motors:

    N52 and N51 tunes
    280 PS and 325Nm


    125i tuned dyno run…
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    nice report :)
     
  4. #3 Angel130i, 09.05.2011
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  5. #4 OneDirty, 09.05.2011
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    Awesome :daumen: Marcel has a few very satisfied customers here :mrgreen:
     
  6. #5 betty73, 09.05.2011
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    Hey David,

    Have Fun and take Care :mrgreen:

    See you in Munich :winkewinke:

    Greetz

    Marco
     
  7. #6 Alpina_B3_Lux, 09.05.2011
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    Nice write-up. I'm sure you're having loads of fun with your ride now. You should consider getting an LSD immediately, otherwise you'll only be able to use that power on the Autobahn.

    BTW, 0.95bar are 13.8 psi and not "almost 15". The stock engine management has tables up to 14 psi, which is why most flash tuners can't go higher than that. As far as I know, only GIAC with their stage 2 tune has managed to tune up to around 16 psi.

    Have fun and drive safely!

    Alpina_B3_Lux
     
  8. #7 nici356, 09.05.2011
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  9. #8 Dackelone, 09.05.2011
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    Thanks for clearing the boost level up Alpina. Yes, a LSD is needed now. But I think first I will replace the suspension with M3 parts. I am open to any advice you guys might have.

    Where is teh best place to buy an LSD in Europe/Germany?

    Thanks,
    Dackel
     
  10. #9 muchachoo, 10.05.2011
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    Sounds like publicity for Marcel :mrgreen::mrgreen:

    Nice description and very detailed. Thanks for that and have fun with your new weapon :daumen:
     
  11. #10 der_haNnes, 10.05.2011
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    nice!
     
  13. #12 Alpina_B3_Lux, 10.05.2011
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    I drove to Birds in London (they're the main distributor in Europe for Quaife diffs) and combined a nice stay in London with the installation of the diff (and loads of M3 parts too). I also know Kevin (the owner) and his shop only does first-rate work. They've been distributing and installing Quaifes for a long, long time and therefore know exactly what they're doing.

    If you don't want to drive there, either the address that was already mentioned or Raeder Motorsport near the Nürburgring is also a good choice. They also sell Drexler diffs (clutch type diff) that may be even better on the track than a Quaife, but they can also install a Quaife diff without a problem.

    Alpina_B3_Lux
     
  14. #13 der_haNnes, 10.05.2011
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    hast du dir das eLSD auscodieren lassen Alpina? hätte gerne wieder die quaife sperre wie im 130er VFL, allerdings gibt mir die simulierte sperre zu denken :kratz:
    die einen behaupten es macht keine probleme, die anderen das gegenteil :mrgreen:
     
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  16. #14 Dackelone, 10.05.2011
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    Can that be done? eLSD auscodieren lassen ???

    I got a email quote from Birds on the Quaife LSD installed in the UK. 1,800 British punds. That is 2050 euros. :shock:
     
  17. #15 OneDirty, 10.05.2011
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    Don't think it's going to be any cheaper on the mainland, unless I'm wrong? Was intending to go back to the old country to get the diff done myself...
     
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